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12/11/2011

Second Refuge Talk: Refuge in Awakening

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The second talk in a grand experiment.  David Weinstein talking about finding Refuge in awakening

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Mike
12/14/2011 12:57:40 am

Thank you David. "Noticing we're not awake, continually." Do you think it's important that this noticing have a certain quality, namely patience or kindness? Many teachings say yes, and on the face of it, patience and kindness seem like lovely "requirements." But is this just one more place to be tight, or to fail? As John would say, one more fascism? Nice trains in the background.

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Mr. Propter link
12/17/2011 04:54:38 am

I like the part about how we're constantly waking from delusions. I also like how you say that we don't need to get rid of our delusions (that is, what's on our minds all the time), and can even enjoy them. Actually, I find it's only when I step away from the stories I tell myself that I begin to enjoy them, since before that I'm a character in the story who doesn't realize it, and then it's hard not to take the story too seriously. A difficulty for me is when I triumphantly declare to myself that I've awoken from a delusion, only to reflect a few days later that I was actually in another delusion. It's like when you wake from your dream and get up and get ready to go to work. You're halfway down the road before you wake up and realize it was all another dream and now you're late.

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David Weinstein
12/17/2011 07:25:43 am

Mike, I think you know the answer to your question about any particular quality being associated with the noticing. Seems like the compassion arises naturally once we get out of the way and just notice. The 'fascism' of compassion is no less a distraction from the moment than any other fascism.

We're constantly waking from delusion because we're constantly falling into delusion, one continuous mistake was one of Dogen's description of Zen practice.

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    “A Course on Koans” is the delusion-riddled work of Chris Kufu (“Wind in the Void”) Wilson, who began practicing Zen in 1967. He regards Taizan Maezumi, Robert Aitken, and David Weinstein as his root teachers. Each of them pecked at his shell until he “completed” the never-ending koan curriculum of the Harada-Yasutani lineage.

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